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Lucy ([personal profile] luciazephyr) wrote2007-06-25 08:07 pm
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"Pretty good, huh?"

Oh, wow, Keith. I don't know whether to be impressed or horrified.

Honestly, I never considered any of that. I haven't picked up a Harry Potter book since I read Book 6 in the first week. That was quite awesome and actually believable.

*slow hand clap*

If anyone missed Keith's theory, comment and I'll sum it up. It's really well thought-out in a "omg, Keith, you have three jobs and you still have this much time on your hands?" kind of way.

In other news, Dan Abrams needs to GTFO of Joey's show. I'm starting to get angry.

-Luce

ETA: Oh, two people already want to know. Okay.

If you can get video of his theory, do that, 'cause he delivers it with so much charisma, it's hilarious. Otherwise, here's the big points:

  • The HP book comes out right before the movie. JKR is making a lot of money off the movies and doesn't want to ruin that, so you can bet that she's not going to kill off Harry. Therefore, Voldemort must die in the last book, according to the prophesy. Simple stuff, we all knew that.


  • One of the biggest conflicts in the books is whether Snape will end up being friend or foe. Keith thinks friend. More on this later.


  • Book 6 spent an obscene amount of time detailing the process of making a Horcrux, that thing where while you kill someone, you can split your soul and stuff it in an object. On the day that Harry got his scar (which seems to be so connected to Voldemort that it can even project his moods), Voldemort was on a killing spree as well. So, Harry's scar? Horcrux.


  • So let's say Harry destroys all the Horcruxes. If Keith is right (and god, he'll be gloating for weeks if he is), Harry then has to turn his wand on himself and kill himself to kill Voldemort. OH NOES, ALL OF JKR'S MONIES GONE AWAY!


  • Instead of killing off her character- a wildly unpopular move outside the internet fanbase- Snape returns in his new Good Guy capacity to give Harry a Noble Alternative: If he wants to kill Voldemort but not himself, he'll have to do Something (*handwave*) to relinquish all his power as a wizard, ridding the Horcrux of it's power but also taking away Harry's magic. That ending has the dual purpose of giving the series a poignant conclusion (he sacrifices himself for the magic world! *sob*) and keeping the movies afloat.


So, in short: Harry's scar is a Horcrux and he'll sacrifice his magic abilities to save the world.

As I said, Keith has way too much time on his hands.

[identity profile] zooniverse.livejournal.com 2007-06-26 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
However, the harry/scar as hoecrux thing is pretty much the only theory jkr has outwardly debunked, as did dumbledore in hbp. Dumbledore theorised that voldemort *intended* to make a horcrux that night while his soul was freshly torn from killing the potters but when the spell backfired he lost the powers he would have needed to make it.

And dumbledore is rarely wrong. Also, his magic is so strong that if the strange attributes voldemort's scar has were in any way indicative to it being a horcrux, he would have been able to sense it as he sensed the magical protections in the cave. (the only reason he didn't spot the lack of hoecrux on the locket was because he was dying, and I think he may have had an inkling it had gone, too, and only took Harry to show him what he's up against)
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[identity profile] ahab99.livejournal.com 2007-06-26 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I don't listen to JK's theories outside of the book, but I've never been that big on the Horcrux idea either. But it's certainly a big one in fandom that's been around since people finished book 6. And? I tend to think Dumbledore is a lot more wrong than Harry recognizes most of the time, but it's more a function of the changing nature of the books as Harry ages than something deliberate on JK's part. He's made an awful lot of choices that I find very questionable, so unless she pulls a lot of rabbits out of hats in book 7 I'll probably continue to think of him as a well-meaning but rather flawed leader.

[identity profile] zooniverse.livejournal.com 2007-06-26 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I think it's fair to say that JKR's theories are going to be a bit more reliable as KO's ;)

On her site FAQ she has actually used the words "Harry is not a Horcrux" though it does strike me that the scar is not Harry, things within all six books kind of discount this theory too. Firstly, when Voldemort tried to kill harry the first time, he was rendered too weak to carry out any magic, so though his soul would have made the necessary split, he was then powerless, and also unable to hold a wand in order to do it.

Secondly, Dumbledore also points out that, if the Nagini *is* a horcrux, then it's life span will be compromised and the snake's natural strength would be weakened in much the same way Professor Quirrell was in the Philosopher's Stone. If the scar was a horcrux, then Harry would probably be a sickly child and wouldn't nearly have the strength to even consider going into battle with him.

However, if it IS a horcrux, it opens up more questions than it answers. Harry's scar allows Voldemort to communicate with Harry and also cause him pain, if this is the case for the scar as a horcrux, then it's possible that voldemort would be able to sense when a horcrux is destroyed... and given his love of killing, could whip up another six whenever he feels like it, thus making Harry's task impossible.

Granted, Dumbledore makes his mistakes, and as he said, his mistakes tend to be bigger than others, but I don't think he's too far off the mark with this.

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[identity profile] ahab99.livejournal.com 2007-06-26 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I can't comment on her FAQ, since I explicitly avoid reading all the random tidbits she loves to hand out in non-book contexts. I hate how she does that, actually. And I don't think since Dumbledore is fallible that he's wrong about this, since I've never really subscribed to the Horcrux!Harry idea, but I think he's a relatively bad people manager and is far less omniscient than he lets people believe. Of course, a lot of that impression is still up for grabs depending on what happens in the last book, because there are several things in the air that JK could resolve in a way that would lessen the impact of supposed mistakes from previous books...

[identity profile] zooniverse.livejournal.com 2007-06-27 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
To be fair to JKR, she usually does it under duress when she can see the interviewer isn't going to let her get away without giving a hint. Also, she's got a big exciting secret that EVERYONE wants, she could be a lot more teasing than she is being...

I don't think Dumbledore is outwardly trying to appear omniscient when he isn't, that's mainly in the narrative, and when Dumbledore mentions anything about how ace he is, it's usually with his tongue placed firmly in his cheek!

I do have a Snape theory, and it is a good!snape theory, but it's a lot further based in what's in the text, and a lot less to do with the final reckoning and more to do with Snape in general.

I honestly don't have any endgame theories, as I'd rather just let it play out, to be honest. The Journey is it's own reward and all that.