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Oh, wow, Keith. I don't know whether to be impressed or horrified.

Honestly, I never considered any of that. I haven't picked up a Harry Potter book since I read Book 6 in the first week. That was quite awesome and actually believable.

*slow hand clap*

If anyone missed Keith's theory, comment and I'll sum it up. It's really well thought-out in a "omg, Keith, you have three jobs and you still have this much time on your hands?" kind of way.

In other news, Dan Abrams needs to GTFO of Joey's show. I'm starting to get angry.

-Luce

ETA: Oh, two people already want to know. Okay.

If you can get video of his theory, do that, 'cause he delivers it with so much charisma, it's hilarious. Otherwise, here's the big points:

  • The HP book comes out right before the movie. JKR is making a lot of money off the movies and doesn't want to ruin that, so you can bet that she's not going to kill off Harry. Therefore, Voldemort must die in the last book, according to the prophesy. Simple stuff, we all knew that.


  • One of the biggest conflicts in the books is whether Snape will end up being friend or foe. Keith thinks friend. More on this later.


  • Book 6 spent an obscene amount of time detailing the process of making a Horcrux, that thing where while you kill someone, you can split your soul and stuff it in an object. On the day that Harry got his scar (which seems to be so connected to Voldemort that it can even project his moods), Voldemort was on a killing spree as well. So, Harry's scar? Horcrux.


  • So let's say Harry destroys all the Horcruxes. If Keith is right (and god, he'll be gloating for weeks if he is), Harry then has to turn his wand on himself and kill himself to kill Voldemort. OH NOES, ALL OF JKR'S MONIES GONE AWAY!


  • Instead of killing off her character- a wildly unpopular move outside the internet fanbase- Snape returns in his new Good Guy capacity to give Harry a Noble Alternative: If he wants to kill Voldemort but not himself, he'll have to do Something (*handwave*) to relinquish all his power as a wizard, ridding the Horcrux of it's power but also taking away Harry's magic. That ending has the dual purpose of giving the series a poignant conclusion (he sacrifices himself for the magic world! *sob*) and keeping the movies afloat.


So, in short: Harry's scar is a Horcrux and he'll sacrifice his magic abilities to save the world.

As I said, Keith has way too much time on his hands.

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Date: 2007-06-26 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkofmyteens.livejournal.com
TONIGHT WAS AWWWESOOOOOME









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Date: 2007-06-26 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athena13.livejournal.com
One of the few theories I've heard that I could actually see playing out. And how much did I love his little hand raise and wave when he asked who'd read all six books.

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Date: 2007-06-26 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eh-notsomuch.livejournal.com
Our Keith is a dork of many talents.

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Date: 2007-06-26 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toperfection.livejournal.com
I missed it, please to be with the summing it up?

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Date: 2007-06-26 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com
See post. Added summation.

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Date: 2007-06-26 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toperfection.livejournal.com
Thanks for the summary and I've just watched Keith's explanation and OMG if it doesn't make sense..damn you, you big dork.

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Date: 2007-06-26 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perpet-fic.livejournal.com
Sum! Sum, I say!

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Date: 2007-06-26 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com
See post. Added summation.

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Date: 2007-06-26 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perpet-fic.livejournal.com
Keith is way too geeky for his own good, and for my waking abilities. Because that theory? Makes me hot.

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Date: 2007-06-26 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fofomazuzu.livejournal.com
Just because that really bugs me, the book comes out 11 days AFTER the movie.

And the theory actually seem possible, and I've thought that Harry was a Horcrux since the end of book 6.

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Date: 2007-06-26 08:58 pm (UTC)
ext_7448: (ko c'mere)
From: [identity profile] ahab99.livejournal.com
I think he did actually say it right in the segment, though I can't verify it now since I've erased it. Or it's possible that my brain just corrected it before I could comprehend it because it would totally bother me too. ;)

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Date: 2007-06-26 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fofomazuzu.livejournal.com
He said it right. Luce didn't.

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Date: 2007-06-26 02:53 am (UTC)
ext_7448: (hp snape)
From: [identity profile] ahab99.livejournal.com
As much as I love Keith the ginormous dork? I didn't actually find his explanation particularly Earth-shattering. The only novel thing seemed to be Snape stepping forward with the final Horcrux-removing idea, but scar-as-Horcrux and Harry-sans-powers have certainly been bouncing around the internets for quite some time. Not that that'll stop him from gloating if any of it's true, of course! ;)

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Date: 2007-06-26 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com
I'm not in the fandom, so this is all news to me. *stern look*

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Date: 2007-06-26 11:42 am (UTC)
ext_7448: (hp snape)
From: [identity profile] ahab99.livejournal.com
Heh. Well, it doesn't take away from Keith be ADORABLE, but the scar Horcrux thing was one of the most immediate and widespread discussion points after book 6. I am pleased that he apparently falls in the Snape-is-good camp, though!

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Date: 2007-06-26 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zooniverse.livejournal.com
However, the harry/scar as hoecrux thing is pretty much the only theory jkr has outwardly debunked, as did dumbledore in hbp. Dumbledore theorised that voldemort *intended* to make a horcrux that night while his soul was freshly torn from killing the potters but when the spell backfired he lost the powers he would have needed to make it.

And dumbledore is rarely wrong. Also, his magic is so strong that if the strange attributes voldemort's scar has were in any way indicative to it being a horcrux, he would have been able to sense it as he sensed the magical protections in the cave. (the only reason he didn't spot the lack of hoecrux on the locket was because he was dying, and I think he may have had an inkling it had gone, too, and only took Harry to show him what he's up against)

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Date: 2007-06-26 11:24 am (UTC)
ext_7448: (hp)
From: [identity profile] ahab99.livejournal.com
Well, I don't listen to JK's theories outside of the book, but I've never been that big on the Horcrux idea either. But it's certainly a big one in fandom that's been around since people finished book 6. And? I tend to think Dumbledore is a lot more wrong than Harry recognizes most of the time, but it's more a function of the changing nature of the books as Harry ages than something deliberate on JK's part. He's made an awful lot of choices that I find very questionable, so unless she pulls a lot of rabbits out of hats in book 7 I'll probably continue to think of him as a well-meaning but rather flawed leader.

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Date: 2007-06-26 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zooniverse.livejournal.com
Well I think it's fair to say that JKR's theories are going to be a bit more reliable as KO's ;)

On her site FAQ she has actually used the words "Harry is not a Horcrux" though it does strike me that the scar is not Harry, things within all six books kind of discount this theory too. Firstly, when Voldemort tried to kill harry the first time, he was rendered too weak to carry out any magic, so though his soul would have made the necessary split, he was then powerless, and also unable to hold a wand in order to do it.

Secondly, Dumbledore also points out that, if the Nagini *is* a horcrux, then it's life span will be compromised and the snake's natural strength would be weakened in much the same way Professor Quirrell was in the Philosopher's Stone. If the scar was a horcrux, then Harry would probably be a sickly child and wouldn't nearly have the strength to even consider going into battle with him.

However, if it IS a horcrux, it opens up more questions than it answers. Harry's scar allows Voldemort to communicate with Harry and also cause him pain, if this is the case for the scar as a horcrux, then it's possible that voldemort would be able to sense when a horcrux is destroyed... and given his love of killing, could whip up another six whenever he feels like it, thus making Harry's task impossible.

Granted, Dumbledore makes his mistakes, and as he said, his mistakes tend to be bigger than others, but I don't think he's too far off the mark with this.

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Date: 2007-06-26 08:56 pm (UTC)
ext_7448: (hp snape)
From: [identity profile] ahab99.livejournal.com
Well, I can't comment on her FAQ, since I explicitly avoid reading all the random tidbits she loves to hand out in non-book contexts. I hate how she does that, actually. And I don't think since Dumbledore is fallible that he's wrong about this, since I've never really subscribed to the Horcrux!Harry idea, but I think he's a relatively bad people manager and is far less omniscient than he lets people believe. Of course, a lot of that impression is still up for grabs depending on what happens in the last book, because there are several things in the air that JK could resolve in a way that would lessen the impact of supposed mistakes from previous books...

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Date: 2007-06-27 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zooniverse.livejournal.com
To be fair to JKR, she usually does it under duress when she can see the interviewer isn't going to let her get away without giving a hint. Also, she's got a big exciting secret that EVERYONE wants, she could be a lot more teasing than she is being...

I don't think Dumbledore is outwardly trying to appear omniscient when he isn't, that's mainly in the narrative, and when Dumbledore mentions anything about how ace he is, it's usually with his tongue placed firmly in his cheek!

I do have a Snape theory, and it is a good!snape theory, but it's a lot further based in what's in the text, and a lot less to do with the final reckoning and more to do with Snape in general.

I honestly don't have any endgame theories, as I'd rather just let it play out, to be honest. The Journey is it's own reward and all that.

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Date: 2007-06-26 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluevsgrey.livejournal.com
OMG should I watch the spoilers or not? Is it that big of deal, or is it funny haha? Does it actually spoil anything?

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Date: 2007-06-26 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com
No spoilers. TURN IT ON NOW, HE'S ALMOST OVER!

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Date: 2007-06-26 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluevsgrey.livejournal.com
Oh, it has been on. I was so happy I got off work early tonight and could see it at 11.

I was just wondering if I should turn it off.

Thank you. :)

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Date: 2007-06-26 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluevsgrey.livejournal.com
It was awesome.

Now for tds and tcr.

Jon seems to be stealing KO's Cheney rant.

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Date: 2007-06-26 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanachan01.livejournal.com
I haven't read a Harry Potter book since four and am kinda scared of the fandom, but it's still interesting to hear Keith's theory on this. Maybe because it's Keith being a geek. Maybe it would've been more interesting if he predicted something related to one of my fandoms (other than, of course, pundit RPS). Think he watches Heroes or House MD? Maybe he's an otaku? He did do a thing on Morning Musume/Jpop (http://www.cultofpop.com/?p=96)....XD

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Date: 2007-06-26 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shoemoney2night.livejournal.com
hahaha, Keith! <3

Why must these things happen when I'm out of the country and can't catch the video for three weeks?

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Date: 2007-06-26 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eh-notsomuch.livejournal.com
So now we know what Keith did on his vacation: catch up on his Sopranos episodes and reread his Harry Potter books.

Keith, you big huggable mega-dork, you!

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Date: 2007-06-26 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zooniverse.livejournal.com
Now i've actually seen the clip...

As I said, Keith has way too much time on his hands.

he obviously hasn't got that much time on his hands, as he got some major facts wrong, including saying that the snake in chamber of secrets was a horcrux which was two wrongs. The DIARY that they actually showed Harry destroying was the horcrux, and that wasn't even a snake, it was a basilisk.

There were other things he got wrong as well, but that one was the most obvious given they SHOWED the item he'd mixed it up with.

If he's going to theorise, he should do his research first. Keith is going down in my estimations...

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Date: 2007-06-26 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] make-a-move.livejournal.com
I love that he did this. Massive, massive dork. Awwwww. <3

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