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[luciazephyr]

Rachel and Pat just had an interesting debate/fight. Rachel says Hillary should have, like Edwards, apologized for her Iraq War vote. Pat says it's be a huge mistake and she's doing the right thing, saying that the info she had at the time justified the vote.

I want to know what you all think. Politically, would it be a smart move to apologize? What about for you personally, which would you prefer?

Personally, one of the first things that drew me to Edwards was his apology on the war vote, so I say having the humility to admit that it very endearing. And I never saw Edwards attacked on the right for the apology and admitting he was wrong.

Your thoughts, FList?

Also, KO referenced his old Colbert interview. :3

-Luce

Comments

[mercystars.livejournal.com]

Hills shouldn't offer an apology, but she should admit the mistake, perhaps something along the lines of "I listened to the false intelligence reports, and unfortunately I made a mistake in believing they were true". Her war record is a main reason why I'm going for Obama in the elections.

[flakygoddess.livejournal.com]

I think that Edwards wasn't enough of a heavy-hitter to really be smeared by the right for his apology. For the most part, they seemed content to make fun of his haircut and then dismiss him, as the whole thing has looked like it would be Obama/Hillary from the beginning.

As for Hillary apologizing...well, I don't know. I think it's probably for the best that Hillary shut up and just stick with the "damn, I got bad information" line. Because, much like darkecology, I'm not convinced that Hillary wouldn't vote for the war again, if the chance came up.

/yaoi thoughts

[nachomanlance.livejournal.com]

As far as for what I've read (and I don't read much), Hillary hasn't really apologized sincerely for anything in her political past. If she had, she might have the better conscience of people like you who thought of Edward's apology as endearing and honest.

As for my personal opinion, if she wants the vote and respect by those most concerned with the Iraq War, then an apology and maybe some sort of "reconciliation" plan would work to her advantage. But thats me.

Speaking of her, my old high school marching band is performing at her rally in San Jose tomorrow :O I plan to attend.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

DUDE! COOL. :D

Look, I was an Edwards girl that's going to go Obama now, but Clinton is not evil. She's very good.

Just not as good as my Johnny was. :weeps:

[nachomanlance.livejournal.com]

I don't think she's evil either, but just of all the Democratic front-runners I least in favor with her policies. I also just have weird gut feelings about her, I can't really put my finger on it. If she does become the nominee I would still vote for her, she has good intentions for the US.

And to tell you the truth, after the SC debate I was SERIOUSLY in a toss-up between supporting Obama or Edwards. My respect for him just grew tremendously and I personally felt he won that debate.

I'll take pictures of the rally, if I get any good ones. Stay tuned :P

[librarynoise.livejournal.com]

I agree, the fact that Edwards apologized for the Iraq War vote really got my attention. Humility, like you say, is very endearing, and is rare in politics.

The way Hillary dances around that vote, and even defends it, is a real turn-off. Politically, I really don't think she would apologize for it now. She's made such a point of not saying it was a mistake that it would become a huge deal if she suddenly did. I would personally feel better about her if she did, though. That seems to be a deciding factor for a fair amount of people (including myself), but I just don't think she would do it at this point.

ALSO

[librarynoise.livejournal.com]

Keith's reference to his TCR appearance made me all giggly! And it was a CLOSING NOTE. Hee.

[lunaris1013.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Hilary's steadfast refusal to admit her mistake really sticks in my craw. Not that I actually know what a 'craw' is, but I digress. An outright apology probably isn't necessary I feel, but admitting the mistake absolutely is.

She's done too many things - like the Florida business and the Vegas thing - that have shown me that a) I do not like the content of her character and b) there is no controlling Bill. Trying to whitewash her war vote was just the beginning.

[garageinc74.livejournal.com]

Her line that "if I knew then, what I know now," is a broken record and doesn't fly. She didn't read the NIE on Iraq when it was time to vote and this is a known fact. Having said that, I don't think she should apologize, but she should admit that the authorization vote was a huge mistake. What she should apologize for, and so should Obama, is every single vote, given without any protest, to continue funding the war. I refuse to be sold the bill of goods that Bush would have left them there without equipment. They are without equipment now. This money doesn't fund the troops, but pays the thousands of private contractors.

Speaking of Private Contractors... that is the way to get the hell out of Iraq and bring the Republicans along. Stop making the bloody thing so profitable. Put the Iraqis to work on their own reconstruction. People who work for their own wellbeing, are not angry.