random thoughts and funny gaming humor
Jul. 28th, 2009 08:24 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
So I was on SA in the MGS3 LP thread and was thinking about Teh Gay and why it's so prevalent in MGSverse. I have a theory.
Agree/Disagree/General thoughts?
Also, for my own reference because I may icon later:
Favorite Quotes from Freeman's Mind
-Lucy
I always thought [Ocelot's homosexuality and the gayness in the series in general] was a covert way for Kojima to make male gamers feel uncomfortable. I mean, MGS1 was a fairly straight-forward gamer, albeit a Deconstruction of American action movies. In MGS2, Kojima deliberately tried to fuck with gamers, so we meet Vamp and watch Snake and Otacon be completely married. There was huge backlash, which made Kojima >8( at gamers, so MGS3 was created, giving us gay subtext for Ocelot, EVA, Volgin, and the Raiden-expy, Raikov. MPO did the same for Big Boss, as I heard (I lack a PSP). Then came MGS4, which repeatedly kicked gamers in the balls in different sexual ways (lol, huge male rape subtext, aging fears, overt gamer-slamming, etc), so... I think it's all a ~*~conspiracy~*~ to make gamers uncomfortable while playing. Because Kojima loves his metagame.
Agree/Disagree/General thoughts?
Also, for my own reference because I may icon later:
Favorite Quotes from Freeman's Mind
- "Now someone's stolen my helmet... Oh well. Probably won't need it."
- "OH NO NO NO! THIS IS NOT GOOD! LET ME OUT OF HERE! OPEN THE DOOR! I HATE YOU! THIS IS A BAD EXPERIMENT! WE ARE BAD PEOPLE! WHY DID WE USHER FORTH THE GREEN APOCALYPSE?!"
- "A failure of this magnitude is extremely improbable."
"Well, that's why we have insurance." - "Is there any end to the numbers of problems I can solve by hitting things? I don't think there is! That's how I say Open Sesame. A crowbar to the face."
- "Hey gunshots! Where there's a gun, there's fun!"
- "Haha! Your death was not in vain. I'll shoot everyone in this building if I have to. Whelp, time to play God! Let's see people disrespect me now. They'll find out what happens when you mess with the Freeman."
- Beating up headcrabs. "NO! No one cares about your opinions! You have no rights! You're illegal aliens!"
- "Dammit, how come that catwalk doesn't have any supports? The other one did. I could use them to swing across like Tarzan. That'd be dope."
- "Bugs can crawl on walls. I should've been a bug... Go Team Kafka."
- "What's that say.... 'Work harder, not smarter'... Yeah, that's us all right. We stay the course with the stupid."
- "Scheduled Chaos Theory? That makes about as much sense as Grounded Aviation. Or Deep-Sea Astronomy."
- Screaming as he goes postal on some headcrabs. "Oh what the- OKAY CHILDREN, CLASS IS IN SESSION. EVERYBODY TAKE YOUR SEATS! I SAID EVERYONE TAKE YOUR SEATS! DEAN AND BILLY, THAT MEANS YOU TOO. TAKE YOUR SEATS!"
- "I'm getting sick of these facehuggers trying to french me. It's not like I'm that hard up."
- "How many of you fuckers are there? Do you want me to individually engrave your name on each of my bullets? Is my gun not personal enough for you? I'll kill every last one of you. All I need are bullets. WE HAVE A LOT OF BULLETS HERE! EARTH IS A MINERAL-RICH PLANET! I BET YOURS SUCKS!"
- "Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Not as strong as methamphetamines, but you can keep your teeth."
- "You have a ladder in elevator shaft. Why? To fix to fix the elevator. How do you get to ladder? You use the elevator. WHO THOUGHT THIS UP? JESUS CHRIST."
- "Is that an MP5? Oh ho ho YES! Now I can solve 600 problems a minute!"
- "Everything's on sale when you have a gun."
-Lucy
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Date: 2009-07-29 01:29 am (UTC)sDFKSJDFLKSdfj HAHAHAHAHA YES
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Date: 2009-07-29 02:18 am (UTC)Also, mind if I prod you on AIM occasionally? ...Well, I don't know if it's okay to bug you since you're usually away on AIM. <3
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Date: 2009-07-29 02:22 am (UTC)But the last few days have been crazy, but tomorrow, I should be done with the running around and jobhunting. Just tonight, I'm not really up for it. I'm just logged on in case someone has urgent business or sommat.
tl;dr- tomorrow and after, sure.
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Date: 2009-07-29 06:04 am (UTC)besides MGS4. IT'S COMPLICATED.I will very sadly admit to being blind to race issues 90% of the time. I was raised in a house where homophobia, sexism, and racism didn't really exist, so the only reason I'm sensitive to the first two is because I'm not straight and a girl. I fail at race issues so hard. 8(
sorry, fail!html ><
Date: 2009-07-29 06:32 am (UTC)-Vulcan Raven (Magical Native American, helps out white protagonist for no reason?)
-Drebin (all about guns and jewellery?)
-Dolph (
-Mei Ling in MGS1, though in MGS4 I think she's fantastic.
-Fortune's outfit was sexualised far beyond the level of most female MGS characters until we got the B&Bs. She's kinda a combo deal of all three of the obnoxious stereotypes that get pinned to black female characters.
-Possibly Naomi, as she's carrying three of the common stereotypes of Indian women; a) medical profession, b) family-oriented, c) ritual suicide. But it's not laid on nearly as thick as most of the others because there's a lot else going on with her too, plus those stereotype markers are on the obscure side. Her Indian-ness is only mentioned once and never dealt with anyway.
Then there's the unbearable whiteness - blondness - of Wolf, Raiden and Frank, all of whom have stories that begin in places where white people tend not to be. And Naomi, who in MGS1 makes a plot point of the dark skin that in MGS4 she distinctly does not have. Screaming Mantis has to be one of the palest South Americans ever, especially given that her story seems to indicate that she's not of the continent's pale colonial overclass.
Then...there's the whole sense that non-white people and the places where they live are being used as scenery - and to add a certain omg srs bsns! tone - for a story about white people. Eg. BB originally meeting Frank during the Portuguese Colonial War. Kojima doesn't give a rats ass about colonialism, he just wanted a a place for two white-looking guys to meet that would convey how Srs Bsns and Gritty they are. Ditto for three of the B&Bs - the reason they're from the places they are is to say how horrible those places are. (I tend to assume LB is a Finn, because of their troubled recent history with Russia, and Kojima is all about the evil Russians). See also Mei Ling's backstory (or is that only comic canon?) eta: you could add Frank's original backstory (the HE'S REALLY AZN one) to that.
tl;dr Sigint is the only time he got anywhere near to Doin It Rite and even then he began in MGS1 as a
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Date: 2009-07-29 06:39 am (UTC)If you wrote up an entry on this, I'd definitely read/comment/debate. If the urge strikes you, do eet. Maybe we can get a list going of all the prejudice in the series. Though, considering how much better MGS is than the rest of the gaming industry, it may just be depressing as fuck.
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Date: 2009-07-29 06:50 am (UTC)Your Raven is awesome, STFU.
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Date: 2009-07-29 07:43 pm (UTC)So I think while although it may initially be for squick, there's a definite positive emotional core. (Basically the same way Kojima also touched on subjects like male infertility and male sexual victimisation. There's a squick factor in including them at all which he exploits, but once you're over that you realise he means it quite genuinely.)
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Date: 2009-07-29 09:10 pm (UTC)I don't think Snake/Otacon was unintentional at all. I just don't think it's possible. They don't even mention Meryl in MGS2, and I still think that was to make gamers think the Otacon Ending was canon. And that ending was heavy on the subtext. THEY RODE OFF INTO THE SUN
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Date: 2009-07-30 01:37 pm (UTC)Thank you for showing it to me.