still breaking hiatus, leave me alone, SPN reactions are needed

[luciazephyr]

My thoughts on SPN, allow me to go on about them.

• I knew getting the boys away from Lucifer would take serious deus ex machine, but I didn't expect that big of an asspull. Or actual DEUS ex machina.



• No, seriously, Kripke, knock the fandom thing the FUCK OFF. It was cute in the heavy meta episode because MatEotB said a lot about the show with Chuck, the fandom, and the idea of it. But that was then and unless you wanna do another episode like that, full of meta and symbolism and trope overdosing, stop it. This is just using fans as a punching bag. Either drop the thread entirely or introduce a non-batshit fan. I can suggest many, many models for you to use for one



• okay, the "you're not what I expected" was funny, but otherwise, it's all NO NO NO



• Michael's Sword. I preferred the Messiah angle, but this one's pretty good too. It might mean that Dean will remain the Badass Normal, because vessels don't have innate powers, right? I want this fleshed out a lot, especially with Dean's admissions at the end of the ep, but more on that later. CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.



• So Lucifer. See, it looks like they may actually handle this in the interesting, Lucifer-is-not-totally-evil way. That would fill me with phenomenal joy, really, because after Ruby's irritating, completely uncomplicated and boring motive reveal in "Lucifer Rising", it'd be an actually shocking change to have the Devil as a sympathetic villain. But this is SPN, so that'll never happen. Grey and Black Morality is rampant with the boys, but demons are only Black on the scale.



• BOBBY. Fuck, I thought he was really gonna kill Bobby for a second. But you can't kill the man who built a supernatural panic room on his day off.



• Let's talk Castiel. Seems he took a few levels in Badass when he got owned by those archangels. He was a goddamn ninja in his appearance. I don't like that at all. I loved the concept of angels as powerful beings, but Castiel being essentially the messenger boy, powerless against the likes of Uriel or Alistair. He was the Underdog angel, and when he turned to Dean's side rather than God's, it was that whole "yes, you have an angel, but you've got The Littlest Angel." Now he seems to be formidable, which is a a stupid move, I think.



• LET'S TALK CASTIEL SOME MORE. So God saved Cas, huh? Zachariah wasn't right about "God has left the building"-- yanno, so much of this episode was taking interesting concepts that drew me into the series again after quitting in S2 when shit got boring, and it's stripping that out. I'm getting skeptical about things. Hopefully the sort of... simplification of the plot won't happen.



• Dean and Sam. Wow. Okay, this is one thing that isn't being fudged at all. Fuck, Dean's actually developing. That thing at the beginning of "Lucifer Rising", which him giving up, that wasn't a joke. It almost felt like Kripke was telling the fans who preferred the Two Brothers, Monster of the Week formula to give up on it, because the brothers are fracturing. Or at least Dean is. I'm not a massive Sam fan, but fuck, Padalecki's face in that final scene was amazing. The hurt was palpable.
  
  I really, really am proud of Dean and him finally having enough of it. After all he's been through, it had to happen. If there is one thing I am psyched about, it's the evolution(/devolution?) of the brothers' relationship.



• Relatedly, the Dean+Castiel and Dean+Sam dynamics are fucking fascinating. I hope to see Dean turning to Castiel out of spite towards Sam's betrayal. because as Dean lost Sam, he got Castiel. It was almost like the two arcs mirrored each other, and I very much hope that was intentionally done. Consider this something else I am tentatively excited about seeing explored.



• Someone else just pointed out that when Bobby told Sam to lose his number, Dean did nothing. WOW. Um. Anyone else find that extremely interesting/heartbreaking?



• Calling it now: Sam is a demon. Someone say "Christo" to him and he will flinch.

Those are my thoughts. Come and talk to me about this, fellow fen. What do you think?

-Lucy

Comments

[iruka-yuywell.livejournal.com]

ok...taking this a ponit by point as I can...

-Wow...that was a bit jaring.
-But we can be a crazy lot. I just ran two fan panels at con. O_O damn was all I coud say afterword.
-lol
-Yeah, I always saw some of how I think of Michael in Dean, but good for him fighting it!
-Oh he's evil, he's just SLICK! They don't call him the serpent for nothing. Sympathy? ...I've writtin it...it's such a fine line...
-I knew that wasn't him...>.> <.< yeah...
-I don't know about badass...alot of pomp, but how much does he really have to back it up? the pig sticker? *shrugs*
-do we know God saved him?
-Broken to mend all the stronger? we'll see. Death itself couldn't keep them apart. I think this is just going to build a new relasonship(not that kind!)...
-Cas'll be his new BFF...but there'll always be Sam...
-He was too shocked I think.
-no...something cleansed him. I think he's finnaly clean of all the demon stuff. I'll bet he's even lost his "powers"!

well there are my thoughts ^_^

[vinylsigns.livejournal.com]

Mmmm, I think it'll take a little more than ingesting lots of demon blood to turn Sam into a demon. He has died, though, and been brought back, but we don't know the exact process of how a demon is made in the SPN universe :/


I hope you're wrong about the Lucifer thing--it was a disappointment that Ruby turned out to be a standard villain, but at the end it did seem like she cared about Sam and wasn't just using him. With Lucifer I think the show runners will have the opportunity to explore the fact the he was once an angel, and possibly use that to make some implications about the rest of the angels in the show, too.


Re: fandom shit, I was pissed. Who the fuck WATCHES the show, Kripke? Yeah, that's right.


I had a feeling way back when the Sam & Ruby team was introduced that Dean would find an equalizer in Castiel; something that turned into a wankfest in fandom because they wanted to forget about Ruby and Castiel and just have Sam & Dean, not Sam & Ruby vs Dean & Castiel.

As for the mirroring arcs, I fucking LOVE it. The person Dean trusts most in the world falling out of grace with him, and someone who Dean was extremely uncomfortable with and maybe even afraid of becoming closer and gaining stock in Dean's confidence.

Though I obvs don't think Sam and Dean are through--Castiel gained major points with Dean because he was willing to help save Sam and stop him from breaking the last seal. So Dean still cares, just doesn't trust him atm. How far the distrust goes, I can't say though.


Related to your point about Dean's character evolving, I'm actually kind of relieved too, because Bobby was right--he's a damn sight better than John ever was, and the further he gets away from how he modeled himself after his father, then better and more interesting his character becomes. Like last season, when by the time "Jump The Shark" hit, he realized Sam's a lot more like John than he is.


Re: Dean as a vessel, I got the impression that he was either a vessel or an actualfax fallen angel last season. I thought it would make sense in terms of synchronicity since Sam is going darkside.


Finally, about badass!Castiel, I thought his proficiency was echoing a bit how he was at 4.01 and 4.02 before Uriel was introduced as The Muscle, as it were. He's got no angels (except perhaps Anna *gag*) to have his back anymore, so he has to pick up the slack, for his sake as much as Dean's. It's under Dean's influence that he's become more independent--without that I doubt he would have ever raised a sword against another angel.

From a Show standpoint, it's pretty much a blessing (no pun intended). With the armies of Heaven and Hell after Sam & Dean, it takes a little more insurance than a wheelchair-bound Bobby to level the playing field :/