we end this hiatus to bring you ragemoe Lucy

[luciazephyr]

So a character of a show Mum and I watch was raped. In the episode after, she turns to God for comfort. Formerly, she was Ambiguously Atheist, making several disparaging remarks against religion.

So, after the show, I make a remark about how I'm sad the character isn't remaining atheist.

Mum then proceeds to tell me that I don't understand, that until I go through some traumatic experience, I won't get it, because people who go through that always turn to God, wanting a bigger truth to help them.

I'm allegedly incapable of understanding.

... I fucking despise the whole There are no atheists in foxholes bullshit argument. I am nearly incandescent with rage.

Doesn't help that my day really really sucked already, and this is just another stupid thing to annoy me between my migraine this morning and having my meal completely ruined by my job and other idiotic things to be so angry about.

-Lucy

Comments

[thene]

Huh, it was a traumatic experience that led me to quit being a Christian/monotheist, because (by my emotional logic back then) if this world has an omnipotent overgod I sure as hell would not want to worship something so cruel. If there was an omnipotent god, why would there be foxholes to begin with?

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

Thank you, exactly. I wonder if she'd have reacted the same way if Gemma was a believer and lost that after the rape. 8|

I should try that line on the missionaries one day. "Even if you convinced me to believe, your God is an asshole."

[misscam.livejournal.com]

You can tell your mother from me that why, yes, I have gone through a traumatic experience that happened to be rape and I'm still bloody well as atheist as I was.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

I have no idea what to say to that. I want to thank you for the support and backing, but it seems inappropriate, all things considered.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

It's okay.

But really, some people turn to faith after trauma, some turn away and some stay the same. I don't know why your mother is not seeing that, but maybe she doesn't want to.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

Well, as I get more comfortable and confident in my atheism, she insists more and more that I'll change my mind about God and faith as I get older. Apparently atheism is just a phase for me.

[takoon.livejournal.com]

I hate that mentality. A kid walked into my school with an AK-47 and I hid in a closet for 30 minutes until he killed himself. Still agnostic.

<3 I hope your week gets better.

[firefly99.livejournal.com]

It's an argument against foxholes, not against atheism.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid I don't follow. :blink:

[firefly99.livejournal.com]

'There are no atheists in foxholes' only means that people will plead with and cling to anything that gives them hope when they're in awful situations, however irrational it would seem to them at any other time. Basically, 'in a crisis, people will pray to anything to save their skin'. It says nothing about God, only about humans.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

Oh, I see what you're saying now, I think.