Ah.... *blink*

[luciazephyr]

Dude.... Did we just do what we think we did?

... Wow.

The Atlantis team makes SG-1 look like saints.

And how Rodney didn't even blink at the order. Trust me, I was watching.

Wow. Just wow.

-Luce

Comments

[mneiai.livejournal.com]

I love SGA, they're so bloodthirsty ^.^ Personally, I was more in awe over how Beckett managed to convince himself what he was doing was ethical and for the good of the "patients."

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

Carson was right. They created them, they couldn't just abandon them.

And, god, whereas SG-1 doesn't seem to realize they're at war, the SGA team does, and act accordingly. And that is an amazing thing.

[mneiai.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but that's just it--They created them, but Beckett was acting more like it was really a disease or something he was treating. He has these, like, HUGE moral blindspots. They're basically involved with biological warfare, but he doesn't see that.

Yes, exactly. SG-1 tries to act all serious about the fact that the Orii are coming to Earth, but it feels as though they wouldn't go even half as far as the SGA people would in order to protect Atlantis. That's what I like about them, they can be so playful, but you wouldn't be surprised to see, say, McKay destroy a planet if he really had to, or Sheppard...well, Sheppard was seriously tough in The Storm/The Eye.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

See, I think he does know on some level. And he acknowledged it in this episode: "Not as much as I used to", his feeling empathy for his patients. That's the kicker to me- Carson knows what he's doing is wrong, and doesn't care anymore. If the World Health Organization got a hold of this man, he'd lose his license in two seconds.

Rodney built a bomb in the sixth grade and would have let Teal'c die in '48 Hours'. John's got a black mark and has nobody but long dead frineds (see "Home", 1x09). Ronon has been fighting the Wraith solo for seven years and the one time he stopped, he got an entire village murdered. Teyla has lived in fear her entire life and has witnessed countless deaths of people she loves.

In SGA, the people initially started out with these capabilities. The only ones on SG-1 to come close are Jack and Teal'c. Jack's capable, but Teal'c had honor drilled into him by Brat'ac.

*hopes she's making some sense*

[mneiai.livejournal.com]

But Rodney didn't build a bomb because he was some megalomaniac, he built it probably because it was the most difficult and spectacular thing he could think of. And John's black mark is most likely for doing something he thought was moral. And Teyla surely has just as much honor as Teal'c. Plus, beyond that, they're being commanded by Weir, who definitely has a bigger heart than most of the military at the SGC for SG-1.

I understand where you're coming from, I just don't actually think that the characters' PASTS are what is affecting the situation. I think if you looked you could probably find details of everyone's past in SG-1 to make them just as ruthless...Carter is military, Daniel has been willing to sacrifice quite a bit just in order to gain more knowledge, etc....

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

SG-1 has nothing on the Atlantis team. Now the Atlantis team's ruthlessness is canon, and that makes all the difference to me.

If you wanna talk about taking the search for knowledge to a higher level, need I remind you Rodney blew up a solar system trying to learn more and justify a scientist's death. And Teyla, yes, is the most moral of the group, but against Wraith? Not at all.

And let's not talk about Weir. She irritates the hell outta me. I think that she flipflops horribly. The woman will blow up the last chance for Pegasus to win its war but she won't give a proper goodbye to the lover she lives with. Lizzie's a blank page to me, and I won't ever write her because she makes no sense.

[mneiai.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying that the SGA team isn't more ruthless, in fact, I've already said I think they are and I like that fact. What I'm saying is I think that SG-1 could easily be just as ruthless. It's not histories that affects their choices, in my mind, but personalities.

In fact, I think it's a defect of their personalities that SG-1 isn't half as ruthless as they should be. The Orii are destroying SG-1's own galaxy and they're not doing half as much against them as the SGA peeps would.

Weir could be worse. It's not her fault, the writing staff doesn't know what the hell to do with a female character who's not either an alien or some Carter-clone.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

See, in my mind, histories and personalities cannot be seperate.

And I think the reason for SG-1's inaction is the TPTB writing themselves into a corner. Yay, we have a threat that's even worse than SGA! ... Now what? They have no way of fighting back yet, so they're running around looking for Merlin's magick weapon.

You speak truths. But, alas, everyone in the fandom knows this. Except those crazy hetshippers.

[mneiai.livejournal.com]

See, I think histories can affect personalities, but I also think that different histories can end up creating the exact same personality. Mostly because one of my good friends is exactly like me, but we have completely different backgrounds.

Eh, it might be the writer's fault, but you have to wonder how the SGA would have handled the snakes and everything. It's my ultimate wish to have SG-1 and the SGA team to go up against each other (and have SGA win because they're all, like, underhanded and ruthless and whatnot ^.^).

Oh, gods, the hetshippers! The horror!

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

Chicken and the egg, really.

And again I am reminded how upset I was with the Atlantis-Earth link reestablished. If they left them seperate, we could have had Atlantis form its own colony and then contact is established and they introduce themselves as the New Nation of Atlantis or some such.

*snerk* In this fandom? Yeah, pretty much.

[mneiai.livejournal.com]

Well, there are a few good fics that deal with that, at least ^.^ And if the Earth keeps at Atlantis like they are, and it's a day they decide to write Weir with a backbone, we might still have an independent-Atlantis. Hell, if they can figure out how to grow coffee beans and cocao, I doubt any of the originals would even be upset ^.^

I always have this daydream/fantasy where there's some big conference of the great powers in the known galaxies and John and Elizabeth show up dressed in different clothing, with Ronon and others at their back, and act all cool and confident, as the independent Atlantis. And, since they broke off from Earth and have to worry about their own people and galaxy, they're a lot more comfortable with the SG-1 "baddies."

I can understand dabbling...but being a het SHIPPER? Man, that's awful.

[lucia-tanaka.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but a lot of that fic has Atlantis struggling to get by and being broken and poor and... gah, please. They have the most brilliant minds, the most technology, and I want to see them come out on top.

Your idea would only work in pre-Siege-verse for me. The first wave of people on the expedition already knew they'd probably never go home. Stands to argue that home doesn't hold much value while Atlantis does.

[mneiai.livejournal.com]

That's true. I don't really like it while they're struggling, especially considering how good they were actually doing during the first season.

I think it's pretty easy, though, to get connected to a place where you live and work, where everyone you know lives and works. Especially if they're there for a few years longer and there's a marriage or two, some babies. If they have a sense of community, then it might work. Then again, they'd have to get rid of all the assholes, first ^.^

[mice1900.livejournal.com]

Why is this giving me a Babylon 5 flashback ;)

[geekfreak03.livejournal.com]

Rodney is so MANLY.

And Carson was actually there! :D

Oh, and Rebecca likeys teh Wraitheys. :)

[4amcoffee.livejournal.com]

*driveby icon love*

And Rodney was really manly and sexy and mmmmmm...